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Beedude
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Irish Bees for sale

Looking for Irish Bees? Contact Mick on 087 2213754. North Wexford area. The Irish Black Bee is best suited to the Irish climate and will even fly in rain.Forign Bees may carry pests and diseases (where do you think Varroa mite came from?)and in my opinion it is irresponsible to import them.I have full permission to advertise this man's contact details.Beedude.

johnrobb
Is it too late? Unfortunately

Is it too late?

Unfortunately the package of bees that I ordered have failed to materialise. Am I too late to hope that someone still has a nucleus for sale?

Beedude
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Hi johnrobb,I would be

Hi johnrobb,I would be interested to know from whom u ordered this package of bees and did you pay upfront? Contact Mick from the original posting for Nucs of Irish Bees.

johnrobb
Hi Beedude. I paid a deposit

Hi Beedude. I paid a deposit for the bees which was returned promptly when the supplier was unable to complete. I do not know the name of the supplier. I dealt with an agent and in my opinion they did nothing wrong as their supplier let them down. I will contact Mick, thanks.

Beedude
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Sorry to labour the point JR

Sorry to labour the point JR but I am concerned with the source of 'packaged Bees' possibly being imported into Ireland. The Isle of Man have a legal ban on Bee imports and to date and are Varroa free. Beekeepers ,north and south should lobby their respective Agriculture TDs/Ministers for an outright ban as the threat of The Small Hive Beetle is almost apon us. This monster destroys the Larva and honey causing the bees to leave the hive. There's no point in closing the stable door etc...so lets all say 'No'to Imported Bees and Queens.

johnrobb
Hi. I will pass the concerns

Hi. I will pass the concerns onto the Minister, Sean Connick.
JR

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Hi. Johnrobb, Beedude. I

Hi. Johnrobb, Beedude. I agree wholeheartedly with what Beedude says. The importation of bees along with the diseases they carry, has had a detrimental effect on bees in this country.

Those 'package bees' were probably Buckfasts that were being imported. When they breed with the indigenous dark Bees here, they can get very aggressive. I know a couple of beekeepers who were taken in by the 'superiority' of buckfasts years ago and switched because they need TONS of syrup feeding in autumn to prevent starvation because of their large populatons.

When they breed wth the irish bees, they also reduce the bees natural ability to deal wth our climate.

I know its difficult for new beekeepers sometimes but its really important to find out where their new bees are coming from.:)

johnrobb
Hi, Your points are well made

Hi, Your points are well made and I have passed the concerns onto Sean Connick, Minister of Agriculture. It seems that I may have had a lucky escape when the bees did not arrive. I have now sourced some local Irish bees so I can get back to beekeeping. JR

johnrobb
Hi all, You may be

Hi all, You may be interested to know that I have just received a reply from Sean Connick, Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture. He has promised to make enquiries within the department in relation to the importation of bees into Ireland and get back to us as soon as possible. John

johnrobb
Following on from my post on

Following on from my post on 28th July I have received the following from Minister Sean Connick
"The Federation of Irish Beekeeping Associations have also been in touch with the Department seeking a complete ban on bee imports. However, as members of the European Union we are obliged to facilitate free trade within the EU once legeslative and health requirements have been met. In the case of bees we cannot prevent imports if those imports comply with the relevent health requirements and are accompanied by the appropriate documentation, issued by the competent authority in the Member State of origin, certifying their health status.

Direct imports from outside the EU into Ireland are not permitted."

He goes on to say " The Department's advice to beekeepers who wish to purchase bees is that they should always seek bees from a known source. If any beekeeper intends buying imported bees, our advice is they should always ask to see the health certificate that should have accompanied those bees on arrival into Ireland."

The bottom line is that within the EU there must be a certificate of health and imports from outside the EU are COMPLETELY BANNED,with or without a certificate.

I certainly was not aware of these regulations and I am sure that there are others in the same position.
John

beekeeping4you
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Would'nt it also be advisable

Would'nt it also be advisable to ask for a HEALTH CERTIFICATE when/before buying NATIVE IRISH BEES ??
Regards
Reiner

Beedude
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Ranier. What's the point of a

Ranier. What's the point of a cert for Bees that are already here as the 'stable door is open'? Swarms of Asian and sub-Saharan Bees have moved into Europe as the climate there gets warmer and some have been imported also.A.Mellifera Ceranae (Asian honeybee)has lived with Varroa for eons,having developed its own way of dealing with it.The Small Hive Beetle is the next big threat and we are told that it is in Eastern Europe.Bee Imports cannot be Policed so an outright ban, north and south is the only way! The Isle of Man has such a ban and to date is Varroa free( and its a member of the EU).